Doch vielleicht gibt es noch andere Planeten, auf denen einige überlebt haben.Wie konnte David ohne Equipment und Labor zwei Alienrassen schaffen? I think so.So, I really do not understand how he got to hate, as you see.Also I do not buy that he is all that affected by wear and tear. I like that there is extended stuff in it.If I remember well (copy/paste) from PROMETHEUS release bringing the original records:Scott keeps the original idea and does not divert it, there is no hole on the plot this time.Already suspected this, that they'd engage in 'pruning', but it's nice to have it confirmed solidly. In the novelisation David talks about how priorities change and it faded but that is deeply dissatisfying and makes the build up of momentum in their relationship in Prometheus and The Crossing end in a vacuum. He slowly becomes insane, considering himself a god and superior to all organic creation, being able to fool the engineers, destroying them, fooling Shaw into going into cryo-stasis with plans to use the black goo on her to create a Queen xeno. Therefore, they were not that interesting to him and therefore he wiped them no problem. Was ist überhaupt das Ziel von David?Fragen über Fragen, die hoffentlich im 2. It is not obvious.However, what if humans play with the genome and create a small ethnogroup of homo sapiens 2.0 of say 1000 strong, who are smarter, taller have less mutations, live longer and exclude all the deceases and genes that predispose humans to certain ailments, in other words, we create better life form. Ridley wears big boy pants and could have summoned lots of talent to tell a better and more coherent story imho than what we got. Too create one to suit the story told is eminently plausible.There is an amusing scene where David shows Oram an egg with a dead face hugger and suggests he found this relic of the Engineers which is harmless. Several scenes that appear to be missing from the movie now make sense - I wonder what version of the script ADF used as his base, as I'm getting near to the end and have noticed a few differences are creeping in from the movie ;),nice to read some descriptions from the novel coming in. Nun hat er alle Freiheiten für seine eigenen Experimente.David stellt mit Hilfe von Shaws Körper genetische Versuche an. Are they irresponsible/selfish/arrogant? Do the answers change? The answer will depend on which side you end up. He, Ridley, just said, "well, he hates us" and that is the canon as far as the movies are concerned. It depends on whose side you are.So it turns out it is quite unproductive to ask such a questions in any case. Alien: Covenant would do irreparable damage to the Alien franchise by suggesting that the android David was responsible for the creation of the Xenomorph we all know and love. You folks know where the buck stops!Michelle, you are amazing and I enjoy your analysis and perspective. You skirted around this as did Ridley. He is much more of a free spirit doing things seemingly out of his own volition unlike Walter who is just a slave robot. But what this analysis tells about the question? Maybe then the Space Jockey was not an "engineer" at all but really something more ancient and mysterious. Prometheus stole "fire" from the gods to give to mankind, as knowledge. Even if these new editions to the storyline were airtight with everything we've seen so far, i'm feeling like it's going be TOO complicated a set up, and will ruin the story, and probably also, technically-speaking, the franchise once and for all.You should never overcomplicate! With Danny the results are much more tragic when she discovers the scrolls which show Elizabeth and the birthing of both the trilobite and the evolved egg she assumes David is responsible for both and confronts him. It is what I call positive critiquing. Hardly alone. Eine Erklärung dafür könnte Davids Sadismus sein. Die Neomorphs sind viel schneller, effizienter und können sich über Sporen in der Luft verbreiten ganz ohne lästige Facehugger und Eier. As a synth, in his mind he views all organic life is faulty compared to himself, and therefore must be cleansed from the universe.Is there any evidence at all the Engineers created humanity?What burst from the engineers chests in Prometheus? The technology in use is biological in nature - undetectable by human technology. Remember Elizabeth was in all other respects well after the caesarian but the mutagen the ultimate survivor evolves to survive sending out a message to Elizabeths reproductive system. Perhaps. If this is what David sees in humanity, then surely we are those miserable ants.I can see you have missed the fundamental point I was making. Frank and Brian Herbert speculated the dire consequences thoroughly throughout the Dune saga.I believe that David's contempt for humanity and our Engineers is reasonable and justified. However I don't like seeing people here being mean to "dumb xeno fans for ruining Prometheus2". Alien: Engineers, also known at various points during its development as Alien: LV-426, Alien: Genesis and Alien: Origins, was a 2011 script draft for a prequel to Alien, written by Jon Spaihts. I feel this exploration of artificial intelligience is much more worthy than SJW stories in space :).Creating 'any' life is selfish, arrogant and irresponsible.Designing a procreative lifeform to destroy and replace an existing species is counter productive ... and also selfish, arrogant and irresponsible.David can neither kill outright, nor kill himself. Seine Schöpfung soll den menschlichen Wirten so viel Schaden und Schmerz zufügen wie nur möglich.Wie konnte David die Eier für die Facehugger ohne Königin herstellen? It depends on what kind of interpretation you want at the moment. Well, quite juvenile of them, quite human actually. Is this turning into a facebook fake news site? Thats an argument as it always has been for smaller budgets.This is not my observation, but I heard it first from Mark Kermode, who is incidentally a very good film critic, and the point he made regarding Prometheus and the Covenant is that Ridley Scott is only as good as the script allows him to be. In Hollywood, no one can write a script.I am glad you pick up on the Co Dependent relationship which they establish in Prometheus and the forming of a unique bond in The Crossing. The likelihood that David would be able to overthrown Engineers, even with the Black Liquid accellerant doesn't fly. If I turn out to be correct, I think SciFied should buy me lunch.Well we need to think carefully about those comments and i the set report interview was taking when they could not 100% hear Ridley Scott clearly and so maybe there is some loss of translation..."this thing designed to make human beings. (like a painter who doesn't know when to leave well enough alone).Nice. That is one of several options for creating a protagonist to David. Was ist mit Daniels? We have a clear link to all other life on earth, so claiming that we are separate beings makes little sense unless the engineers (or whatever other being) created us through evolution by creating all life on earth. Certainly not content creators. für mit,Der folgende Inhalt wird veröffentlicht von Blairwitch*,Autopflege, die was kann: Gute Grundausstattung für wenig Budget.Und das treibt den Serienschöpfer um: "Ist den Aliens, Facehuggern und Chestburstern die Puste ausgegangen? There's no truly advanced technology in the dead Engineer city seen in.The cultural markings don't match with what is seen on the Engineer's Bone Ship design either, which leads one to wonder if they've been using the same fleet for millions of years, or simply decided to abandon their cultural style in favor of something completely abstract.It is entirely possible that the Engineers and the Space Jockeys are not, in fact, the same race. So, to David he is a deplorable one, just like for some of us SJWs are deplorable. Alien-Covenant.com is an information resource for film enthusiasts looking to learn more about the upcoming blockbuster Alien: Covenant. You will know that if such question is raised you are in a such a state of affairs that you are fucked in either case. Rich people will want to eradicate those chromosomes in their gene pools that would lead to some human ailments of their prospective children. A direct attack seems more likely now doesn't it, but by who?Is the goo we see in Prom (sacrificial and later/Deacon goo) the same stuff? He is not bound by the weak organic body the humanity has, nor he has the fear and uncertainty driving the humanity. One such classical problem is the "trolley problem". Eh? However, if the elites do not mix blood and get benefits of gene betterment exclusively to themselves, they will create a spicies that will not have any need from the peasants as they will be really inferior to the elites and thus be really useless to them. So perhaps in Shaw he saw a kindred spirit that he could count his equal.David knew by that time that those engineers were no better than him. In both book and film I believe that difference is dealt with well and its relatively easy, Walter has a different programme and David is also beginning to show wear and tear, who wrote the poem, he also gets a metaphor wrong.That latter point is important for story. All content is property of Scified.com unless otherwise stated. I do hope we get to see more of the Engineers because so far it feels like they're being set aside. Playing God in effect... will Ultimately and Eventually Bite us in the Butt... Hubris can be a wicked fate.Its a theme we have seen in Terminator and The Matrix and i think this the the Big Theme at play with Prometheus where they mix this with Gods Mythos and Creation.As for the other replies, i think people are raising some good points and i agree a lot with.I am not so sure on the Ants though... i think to the Engineers we are just Ants... but to David who knows, i think yes Ants are insignificant to us.. Watch their stocks, hint hint. Are they selfish/arrogant/irresponsible? Do you understand then that if he is rigid and immutable this implies he is not an AI. He is not obliged to save lives. How unsatisfying.Anyways, if we look at David as a black box and try and glean what kind of a creature he is and what he demonstrated and compare him to say Walter we can make some judgements, but they would be very unreliable. The black goo, which has two modes (creation and destruction) serves as this "fire". Alien: Covenant, Prometheus and its associated names, logos and images are property of 20th Century Fox and are in no way owned by Scified and its related entities. The way the juvenile responds and mimics Davids actions is all about ownership, these are his creations. Hat David überhaupt etwas erfunden oder nur alles von den Engineers geklaut? With no alternative, the survivors elect to try and stop him while Janek stays behind to try and fix the.In the aftermath, Watts is contacted by David, who tells her that it is likely the Engineers will come to investigate. Who is selfish/arrogant and irresponsible in this case? He can not learn freely and this means he is not intelligent. So I imagine AC will reward scrutiny much the way Prometheus did.I feel the MORB is an engine of punishment, as much as it is a weapon, an example of extreme bio terrorism. I know that the coming next few years with Neil Blomkamp’s new Alien 5 movie the franchise will be retconned from Alien 3, but this could be a possibility what we saw in Alien: Resurrection.What I was thinking while reading this article, is that the Engineers visited us many times thousands of years ago in ancient cultures, what we saw at the cave painting in Prometheus. He hates everyone.IH, you made some claims, some of them are not obviously seen as true. Nun geht es im.Mit „Aliens vs. This led to them commuting a grand genocide and ultimately being imprissoned in the urns. Also, the formula has changed: they have to inject more special effects for glaring holes in the stories. Clearly the black goo has the ability to turn the host into alien creature and the trilobite has ability to create aliens in the right circumstance.Sign in with your Scified.com account to add a comment!Alien: Covenant is a sequel to 2012's Prometheus as well as a prequel to 1979's ALIEN. Other wise we just get some formulaic friday 13th type vibe. With platforms like YouTube or Amazon, who needs those studios? That might seem a very fine distinction to make but it is the one that would explain his deep sense of loss rather than appear as a messy plot hole. Seit Alien: Covenant vor zwei Jahren in die Kinos gebracht wurde, herrscht Unklarheit darüber, wie es in Zukunft mit der Alien-Reihe weitergeht.Die Fortsetzung zu Prometheus blieb damals mit weltweiten Einnahmen von rund 240 Millionen Dollar deutlich hinter den Erwartungen zurück, spielte gerade einmal die Hälfte des Vorgängers ein. But, that is for me to live with.Thank you for sharing with us that you are offering your insights in a language which is not native to you. I know this is late to this thread but I had a wildly speculative epiphany while watching the show again. So far this is still rational. Welche Richtung dieser einschlagen wird, scheint aber noch vollkommen offen und nicht zuletzt davon abhängig zu sein, wer die Leitung auf dem Regiestuhl übernimmt. So it was actually hypothetical rather than speculative.So tons of people seem to pretty desperately want to believe that the victims of David's bombing were not in fact the engineers - based mainly on how their appearance differs from the appearance of the engineers in Prometheus. They could opt for a redemption and the antagonist becomes a protagonist but we need some other stuff anyway to make the link with LV426.Returning to the book it is notable there is a changed ending which is less dark that suggests what we get in the film is very deliberate and about where one character is or isn't heading.thanks for some input. But I got hooked on the Alien franchise becoz of Prometheus. I feel that is partly why the film versions were so awful....they are both cool, just in their own way but they dont work well together on film because of the differences you need to or each of the creatures film mythologies are based with. In fact it would be just a glorified traffic light managing box. I think that the Engineers asked us for their help again against the higher beings and wants us to be their allies before they start getting hostile to us because the last visit of them on Earth didn’t end well. Darn it. Regisseur Ridley Scott hat offenbar noch Ideen für einen weiteren Film.Tata.to ist eine Streaming-Seite für Kinofilme, auf der man kostenlos und in HD Filme und Pay-TV-Sender wie Sky ansehen kann. has always been a controversial subject. Alien: Awakening sollte genau das widerspiegeln und Michael Fassbenders Androiden David auf seiner Reise zum mysteriösen Mond aus dem ersten Alien begleiten, wo es zum Zusammentreffen mit den erbosten und überlebenden Engineers aus dem letzten Film gekommen wäre.Die viel wichtigere Frage ist aber ohnehin: Was will Disney? While the characters and overall plot of Alien: Engineers were retained in Prometheus, the script is otherwise quite different from the film that was eventually made. Still thinking the Engineers were the ones who created the,So we've reinvented the idea of Alien, I think, which is that Covenant gets us a step closer to who and why was this thing designed to make human beings. How many cooks were in the kitchen on this script, again! They are brave with stories, cast and everything. In fact, it was expected to be explained why and how he got to hate in the first place. They wanted answers whereas by the time they arrive David according to the Crossing they had them. The prologues application of the music played is made much more explicit in the dialogue and David recounts the story of the Opera, which is an allegory of the Engineers role in the mythos created by Ridley.It has to be said that some of the sentiments in the crossing do not fit very well. I don't see the Xenomorphs polluting a world with industrial waste, or waging wars over religion and profit.David's lack of compassion may seem monstrous, but his motives are logical. Wanting sole love and devotion form its maker. Walter is exactly an AI that has some restrainment circuitry that he can not overcome. all you need was the Tools and Knowledge and David possesses both and he wishes to Play God himself, he was disappointed in his creator and saw himself as a more superior being and one who should not have the role of merely a Servant, and that David is taking on the same Arc that,David also knows the Engineers are Mortal too and its only the Technology and Knowledge they possessed and.The source claimed that the order of creation does not Start with the Engineers and it does not end with David, and that the movie is a constant tale of Creation/Rebellion and Punishment and then Sub-creating and repeat. Particular the Greek Mythos and constant Fear of Rebellion by your creation that Led to Kronus fearing Rebellion from his own Children because he had Rebelled against his own Father... and this follows on with Zeus who has fears for the same from Mankind.And the Source claimed within the Franchise this is similar to what happens, the Engineers are fearful of Rebellion and overthrowing by Mankind because its what they had also done to their creators (or attempted).So indeed they hint that we are seeing a constant theme, and they actually claimed the Matrix Theme as far as relation is more closer at play.Also Shaw was to get some answers, but those answers are further away from the Hopes she had for when she found Mankind Maker before she set off to LV-223... she finds a horrific place and race their but her pursuit of answers on Paradise will.I was told in February 2015 that come November to expect news on the sequel and that Production would start to enter full swing by Fall of 2015 and Shooting would either complete by March 2016 or commence.Come November indeed we got the News of the Prometheus sequel is being made, and some things added up.. some a bit different but Alien Covenant was John Logans Re-write and the Source was based off Green/Paglens as of October 2014.With the new trailer, and the on set reports and Ridleys Comments recently it could be indeed the Source was correct.Funny enough that the Concept arts they described have also been described by the on set reports.Indeed it is a bit confusing i think if you refer to my first reply on this Topic i can try and figure what he means...Oh man, now a theory I've been toying with has an actual possibility of coming true. So David could tell that she was genuinely nice to him. and there were no engineers up on those floating platforms or in space near by?! Since humanity never sought them out before the Prometheus mission, the Engineers would have only glimpsed us during our humble beginnings, which would not be enough for them to draw conclusions on.No mention is made of the Engineers having any sort of enemy to contend with. Each creator fails to allow their creations free will and freedom of outcomes, they must conform to their creators vision. Wow this makes me happy. So really what purpose is there in life... try not to kill yourself and enjoy your time here! Maybe the Prologue Novel that is set to release in September will..Alan Dean Fosters novel, which whilst not a classic stand alone novel, is an excellent companion and elaborator of all the major themes of the movie including David, Shaw and the Engineers.Davids extended conversation with Walter makes it clear that he learned all he needed to know about the Engineers during the Prometheus mission. Wish the studio would manage him somehow like they did with the Martian. His programming allows him to explore emotional feelings and find responses and build up emotional capital and it is that emotional capital that informs his response to mankind, to the Engineers, to Elizabeth and to being left alone which is a point I did not make but.David and Walter discuss this distinction in the film and whereas Walter indicates his programme does not allow it, David argues he can and in this imagined world he does.Of course I use the language of humanity to explain what is going on but thats no different to me using English its my known language. If you have any questions about this site, its content or the Scified Network in general, feel free to contact Scified directly.Scified is an entertainment media network covering the latest news on the most popular, upcoming science fiction movies, games and television. That explains everything we need to know and why things turn out as they do in the story and it is the perfect setting for the creation of xxx121 creation without a moral purpose.I think your also in danger of drifting into things which you wish to discuss which pre occupy you rather than merely ponder the film. Do you agree or were you hoping for an alternative description? If it could have - it would appear that Ridley was not inclined to make the investment. Our species is grossly overpopulated and incapable of living harmoniously within any eco system.Individuals aside, the majority is a cancer. Even children learn to brush their teeth. This site is an extension of the Alien & Predator Fandom on Scified - a central hub for fans of Alien and Prometheus looking to stay up-to-date on the latest news. He is perfectly rational, but the starting point biased him. Maybe this being could be made as a mad scientist or megalomaniac? Hence:remakes, sequels, prequels, reboots is all we are getting as big blockbusters. The Engineers, also known as Pilots (after the individual discovered on LV-426), Space Jockeys, Ossians or Mala'kak, are an ancient extraterrestrial species of unknown origin. A typical human being. (Thanks to,We were also told that this isn't the first time Humans (or another Humanoid within the chain) have been to this planet (Paradise) in.Mankind as we are now, are the 4th or 5th Generation of this evolutionary chain - not the product of natural selection and Ape evolution.Paradise is essentially the Cradle of Creation within our Galaxy, a loose reference to the Garden of Eden. Does he not realize this? He is certainly aware of the vices of humanity. For instance, a will to dominate. Die Engineers wollten die Menschheit anscheinend mit dem Virus auslöschen.Android David, der ebenfalls die „Prometheus“-Crew begleitet, ist fasziniert von dem Virus und verabreicht es heimlich dem Ehemann von Elizabeth Shaw, der kurz darauf qualvoll stirbt und Shaw mit einem krakenähnlichen Baby schwängert.Die „Prometheus“-Crew wird fast komplett ausgemerzt und David stark beschädigt. The Aliens franchise has attempted to explain the presence of Engineers but there is a lot about the creatures that make no sense.None of this makes sense, however. And wouldn't it be excellent if the one Walter designs are eventually Predators! The Engineers on the Homeworld may have no concept of intergalactic warfare and the Juggernaut and dock may communicate in away we would not recognise, to jump to saying its a plot hole is to treat science fiction in a limiting way. They are surely on their way to obscurity. ".Did it mean to say designed to kill human beings?If we are to answer the questions, we have to consider what Prometheus showed us...The movie was set to show us that the Engineers played a role in the creation of Mankind, it maybe started with the seeding of the Engineers.The movie set up that these Engineers had also created that horrid Bio-Weapon on LV-223 and those experiments and it was intended to be used on Mankind.Ridley re-enforced the knowledge that the Space Jockey was a Engineer (or related) and that his Ship was a Biological Warfare Cargo Ship or even a Bomber.And the Xenomorph was Engineered as a Weapon.There was a Question from Shaw... she wanted to know WHO created the Engineers.. if such a thing applies. Alien: Covenant is a 2017 science fiction horror film directed and produced by Ridley Scott and written by John Logan and Dante Harper, from a story by Michael Green and Jack Paglen. Images and names of content we promote, discuss, review or report are property of their respective owners. The giant 'head' statues lying in ruins symbolize the Engineers or Gods those humans worshiped. There's nothing to suggest that the Engineers did anything special when they seeded Earth. So, appologies if I did cross that threshold. But does he have the incentive to act in retribution?In the movie, David certainly has internalized some human traits and acts as erratically as a human.So, is it because he is programmed to behave so? How do those questions apply to them? For the purpose of this article, I'm going to call the Paradise "engineers" paradisians. Why would the Engineers even bother seeding a planet like Earth, only to step away from it for millions of years? With unique technology native to each species' origins, both Human and Engineer (and the others) are attempting to wipe out the others from existence, so that they may completely rule, unchallenged.We've been holding on to this information for some time now and felt this news of Scott's Xenomorph origins remark as a good place to drop some of it for you. Teil von „Alien-Covenant“ beantwortet werden. There's such a thing as playing the Long Game, but this is a bit much!Theories have flown about suggesting possible reasons why the Engineers are so hostile towards humans. Android kills the engineer creators and modify an existing pathogen creation to target wiping out mankind and force evolution for the Android reign.I would think that the Engineers back story is similar to this one... the Engineers killed whomever/whatever created them and the evolution of intelligence and free will continue on until something they create killed them, humans/android. You can argue its the classic behaviour of a psychopath says anything does anything to get what he wants, its clinically accurate BUT it means the overwhelming feeling going into the next movie is blow the f...... into space and in to little pieces as quickly as possible. Also, do not take anything as an insult from me, as english is not my first language and partly because of my crude command of it I might come across as brash and harsh without actually realising it. If they created us and gave us all the freedom for us and let us chose our way independently, can they be judged irresponsible? Its a fantastic day here and want to catch some rays. They are chased by the adult neomorph to the city which makes sense of them trusting the mysterious stranger, it is an imperative. He believes he is redeemed and his view of Elizabeth is "Good" whereas she does not countenance such an idea.In the Crossing we see the opening of the Juggernaut library, a brief image of Shaw waking in distress and her burning on a funeral pyre on Paradise.She has no room in the Cathedral but there is a room of homage to her which includes the first Egg sack. However - I am a little bothered by how much speculation you have included in your last two comments for this thread. And the explanation better be a reasonably good one. Thus bombarding Worlds with Engineers DNA is a more evolved and efficient means of Sacrifice..... And so the LV-223 Engineers had came across a Organism that leads to something related to the Xenomorph that they experimented on and saw its DNA as Perfect compared to their own... and thus Re-weaponized it.Great comments again.... i intend to get the Book, but from what i have gathered while it opens up more depth to what the Movie did not show.... it potential offers some Plot Holes.Because indeed, and as the concept work shows... this Place has multiple Juggernauts, which means these beings on Paradise would have known what these Ships do and would lead us to Question how Naive are they to not be Cautious of a Returning Ship... but alas i guess this is what the Docking Ship was for. But perhaps David mellowed towards Shaw. Like you I am sure I will watch a follow up if it is made but I think the simple reality is that the opening up that occurred with Prometheus has been closed down in Covenant.What i find odd about Hollywood, though not really, is the industry is capable of making interesting and genuinely fascinating series for television where the expansion and depth is really there and coherent with strong symphonic themes but movies with different financial gymnastics do not get close. It explains why they took no further interest in mankind or responded to the silence of LV223 and why the docking tug accepted and greeted it return. I predict he spends years experimenting with the black goo, meanwhile his synthetic mind degenerates due to lack of maintenance and previous damage, his developed ego and previous darker actions personify him. I do think he or the crash of the Juggernaught mutated the … What if they decide to wipe such a life form afterwards? And they decide to turn and conspire against their creators who are seven billion in number. Most obviously, Alien: … We exist because we can overcome what kills us until we can't and that new thing reigns for a time until it is replaced. And also, Shaw treated David decently, without the prejudice, even before the events, which perhaps helped to create a bond between a synthetic and a human; this is important because she was nice to him without needing cooperation in return. Caveat, my list of great movies is probably is different to your list. What is so special about the Engineers that they were featured a lot in Prometheus?Hopefully this gives an opportunity to make a new sort of Aliens (alien as in unknown life form) that is interesting and that is more involved in the Xeno.
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